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Recommended wireless flash system with Nikon D850?
Recommended wireless flash system with Nikon D850?
Hi,
I own a Nikon D850 and a legacy Speedlight SB-600 but I'm quite disappointed i don't have the CLS capabilities i used to have with my D90 or D750 bodies (Due to the fact the D850 doesn't have a built in flash of course).
Recently I've been looking at a new Speedlight and/or wireless dongles in order to retain and even upgrade my previous capabilities and i came across the following options:
a. Buy a SB-5000 for 600$, with an option for wireless connectivity at an extra 200$ in the future. The SB-5000 should be able to command the legacy SB-600.
b. Buy a SB-700 for 330$ which should be able to command the legacy SB-600.
c. Purchase Godox equipment: V860N II which should be able to command the legacy SB-600 and support wireless connectivity buy purchasing the X2T-N for a total price of 300$ or so.
Both the SB-500 and SU-800 are a NO GO for me;
Based on the review and growth potential, It seems the Godox equipment is the best option but over a decade of using Nikon's CLS i am afraid to be disappointed and somewhat prefer to stick with Nikon's gear. Can anyone share their experience in the matter?
Thank you
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DJMusic • Senior Member • Posts: 1,279
Re: Recommended wireless flash system with Nikon D850?
If you're looking for CLS as a commander, I would stick with Nikon equipment. The SB-700 is nice (I have this flash). The SB-5000 is nice if you eventually want wireless. I have Yongnuo flashes as well, and they work with the Nikon system, but I would stick with Nikon equipment for the commander. Nothing against Godox.
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AndyW17 • Contributing Member • Posts: 843
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Godox. Never look back. I sold off all of my Nikon flashes. There's a huge range of options available and they have a killer secret: A Canon-flavored Godox trigger can control the same lights as the one for Nikons. So for events, you can use same lights. Or borrow a light you need from a Canon user. Or Sony.... Plus, they're radio, not optical triggers, like CLS. More range. More flexibility. If you're in the US, buy Flashpoint brand at Adorama. Same stuff, but with a 1 year warranty.
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md lucero • Regular Member • Posts: 316
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+1 with Godox. Although I still have 2 SB flashes I see no reason to buy these over Godox. BTW, B&H includes a 1 year limited warranty with Godox products. They have told me they would just replace any product/unit that breaks or is defective....
Michael
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Re: Recommended wireless flash system with Nikon D850?
md lucero wrote:
+1 with Godox. Although I still have 2 SB flashes I see no reason to buy these over Godox. BTW, B&H includes a 1 year limited warranty with Godox products. They have told me they would just replace any product/unit that breaks or is defective....
Michael
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Can you confirm whether on not the godox can control the Nikon speedlights and if it works well?
is autofocus seemless as using SB flash on camera?
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Yaacov Eisenthal wrote:
Based on the review and growth potential, It seems the Godox equipment is the best option but over a decade of using Nikon's CLS i am afraid to be disappointed and somewhat prefer to stick with Nikon's gear. Can anyone share their experience in the matter?
Not on a D850, but a long-time CLS user with an Sb-800. It is nice having the on-camera CLS with the D750, but even there, you can't do HSS/FP, it's optical, and control is a bit awkward.
Your main choices would be a big Nikon flash on camera (say Sb-9x0), the Nikon wireless solutions (costly), or Godox.
Crossing the Rubicon with Godox (I considered adding more "legacy" Nikon flashes instead) - I've never looked back, it's been excellent. With the XPro wireless, it's much easier to control the channels, and you can keep using the flash you have with suitable receivers (for some applications such as outdoor fill I'll also pop the sb-800 on camera or sc-29 cable for HSS fill-flash).
Choice of additional flash units will obviously depend on the power and recycle time you want for your application.
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jlafferty • Senior Member • Posts: 1,569
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Never used CLS so perhaps you could describe how you use your speedlights currently, typical subject and setups, in the event you have a "live or die by CLS" scenario we can't anticipate.
Otherwise, I'll plus one for Godox, sold as Flashpoint at Adorama. Discovered them when, at the time, I went in to buy a used SB800 for $250, and instead left the store with a Streaklight 360 which is about 3x a speedlight in output, for $310. Have never looked back, and have steadily built on this, moving to the AD200, AD600, and now 600Pro.
RealVSK • Contributing Member • Posts: 581
Adorama /Flashpoint(Godox) wireless flash system with Nikon D850
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Hi,
Like you I was disappointed going from the 750 to 850 having no built in flash.
I can keep a small SB400 in the camera bag. I add an SC-29 cable for more light direction/control.
I have used the SB800 on cable with tiny softbox.
My 2 pennies: get godox (flashpoint from Adorama) items... the little transmitters that go on the hotshoe (either low key or very complex) can trigger their universe of wireless lights. For the Nikon speedlights, get a couple of receivers. They have shoe mounts, screw holes for all kinds of stands and are very reasonable.
I like to use the Evolv 200 watt strobes which are a little bigger than speedlights but more powerful with built in receivers.
The sale prices right now are great. I have a few Xplor 600watt strobes and love them.
Good luck!
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DanRN • Regular Member • Posts: 208
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Yaacov Eisenthal wrote:
Can you confirm whether on not the godox can control the Nikon speedlights and if it works well?
is autofocus seemless as using SB flash on camera?
+1 for Godox also.
I have a Godox X1TN transmitter that works natively with 3 Godox flashes. I have a X1RN receiver that I use with a SB-700. They all work together well as TTL units for a D810 and D750.
RealVSK • Contributing Member • Posts: 581
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jlafferty wrote:
Never used CLS so perhaps you could describe how you use your speedlights currently, typical subject and setups, in the event you have a "live or die by CLS" scenario we can't anticipate.
Otherwise, I'll plus one for Godox, sold as Flashpoint at Adorama. Discovered them when, at the time, I went in to buy a used SB800 for $250, and instead left the store with a Streaklight 360 which is about 3x a speedlight in output, for $310. Have never looked back, and have steadily built on this, moving to the AD200, AD600, and now 600Pro.
I was thinking about a Streaklight also but they don't have built in receivers I think.
I'm spoiled!
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Rexgig0 • Veteran Member • Posts: 7,317
Re: I-TTL Changes, Starting With Nikon D5/D500/D850
Nikon made some changes, in its I-TTL system, starting with the D5 and D500 cameras. Only the SB-500, SB-5000, and later Speedlights are fully compatible, though there is some significant level of backwards-compatibility.
When considering any third-party flash recommendations, one should take this into account, especially in the case of using pre-2016 flash equipment with D5/D500 and newer cameras.
I am not against third-party flash, being a happy user of a Metz 64 AF-1, on D5 and D850 cameras, but I have to use pre-2016 flash procedures, with these combinations.
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jlafferty • Senior Member • Posts: 1,569
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Absolutely! I think the Streaklight TTLs do. It's been so long since I've used mine - they are basically relegated to backup safety duty, or used when I need to throw a full length background to knockout white. The AD200s onward have for sure spoiled us all.
RealVSK wrote:
jlafferty wrote:
Never used CLS so perhaps you could describe how you use your speedlights currently, typical subject and setups, in the event you have a "live or die by CLS" scenario we can't anticipate.
Otherwise, I'll plus one for Godox, sold as Flashpoint at Adorama. Discovered them when, at the time, I went in to buy a used SB800 for $250, and instead left the store with a Streaklight 360 which is about 3x a speedlight in output, for $310. Have never looked back, and have steadily built on this, moving to the AD200, AD600, and now 600Pro.
I was thinking about a Streaklight also but they don't have built in receivers I think.
I'm spoiled!
md lucero • Regular Member • Posts: 316
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I am using a X2T on top of a D810 and 2 Nikon flashes (SB-900, SB-910) with X1R receivers on the shoes of the flashes. Everything is controlled on the X2T. This works great. I can't speak for the D850.
Michael
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I have D850 and several Godox and Nikon flashes. I suggest:
Control with the Godox XPro-N transmitter ($60) mounted on the D850 (much better than controlling with a shoe-mounted flash, but you can also control with a Godox TTL flash),
Put a Godox X1R-N receiver on the base of your Nikon Flash ($40)
For additional flashes, buy Godox wireless TTL flashes like V860II-N or TT685-N ($110) or AD200 (Nikon are too expensive and less features.)
Works great. You get full TTL or manual (I prefer manual, but TTL can be useful)
Total cost about $210 for two flash system, and easily and cheaply expanded in future.
btw, forget about trying to control flashes from D850 menu. Inconvenient, and only works with certain Nikon flashes
LordKOTL • Senior Member • Posts: 1,739
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Yaacov Eisenthal wrote:
md lucero wrote:
+1 with Godox. Although I still have 2 SB flashes I see no reason to buy these over Godox. BTW, B&H includes a 1 year limited warranty with Godox products. They have told me they would just replace any product/unit that breaks or is defective....
Michael
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Can you confirm whether on not the godox can control the Nikon speedlights and if it works well?
is autofocus seemless as using SB flash on camera?
It does somewhat. I'll explain what I just tested.
Using a Godox TT685N (the exact same flash as the Goidox V860II-N except AA powered), I was able to trigger my Nikon SB-500 on my Nikon D750. I had to use the controls on the Godox Flash in Green optical mode (green LCD background indicating commander mode, using the lighting bolt symbol indicating optical triggering). The in-camera flash controls I believe are secondary--you might just want to set everything to TTL I was able to control the SB-500 in TTL and manual mode, as well as the TT685--but I had to do it from the flash. Not too big of a deal. This was only a test so as for how well it works for critical applications? I'm not sure. Will it trigger an SB-600? Also, not sure.
My recommendation would be to get an X2-N Godox transmitter (or Xpro-N--I wouldn't recommend the X1T-N anymore), an X1R-N receiver to trigger your SB-600, and the V860II-N. That should enable you the flexibility to use 2 off-camera flashes radio-triggered, the SB-600 off-camera and the V860II on-camera, or either on-camera. You just need to remember to always have the X1R-N attached to the SB-600 if you want remote radio triggering, and if you want to use the V860II as the trigger it needs to be in green antenna mode, and if you want to control the V860II off-camera it needs to be in orange antenna mode.
Good luck and happy shooting!
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Thank you
Based on your and everyone's feedback i feel confident buying the godox 860II, X1R and X2T for nikon...
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Re: Recommended wireless flash system with Nikon D850?
DJMusic wrote:
If you're looking for CLS as a commander, I would stick with Nikon equipment. The SB-700 is nice (I have this flash). The SB-5000 is nice if you eventually want wireless. I have Yongnuo flashes as well, and they work with the Nikon system, but I would stick with Nikon equipment for the commander. Nothing against Godox.
I have a pretty complete Godox system TT685N, XProN commander, pr of X1R triggers, and 2 SM300 AC monolites. I also use a Flashpoint (Adorama rebranded Godox) Mini with my Z50. In addition I have a Nikon SB910, SB700, and a pr of Yongnuo 565. I haven't had any problems with any of it. I would not hesitate to recommend the TT685N strobe with the XproN commander for you. You can get a complete system with flashes commander and triggers for the price of the Nikon SB5000.
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LostLensCap wrote:
DJMusic wrote:
If you're looking for CLS as a commander, I would stick with Nikon equipment. The SB-700 is nice (I have this flash). The SB-5000 is nice if you eventually want wireless. I have Yongnuo flashes as well, and they work with the Nikon system, but I would stick with Nikon equipment for the commander. Nothing against Godox.
I have a pretty complete Godox system TT685N, XProN commander, pr of X1R triggers, and 2 SM300 AC monolites. I also use a Flashpoint (Adorama rebranded Godox) Mini with my Z50. In addition I have a Nikon SB910, SB700, and a pr of Yongnuo 565. I haven't had any problems with any of it. I would not hesitate to recommend the TT685N strobe with the XproN commander for you. You can get a complete system with flashes commander and triggers for the price of the Nikon SB5000.
I agree with the above except for the difference in money the 850ii light has the lithium ion brick battery which is a bottomless source of power and faster recharge if that's important to the application. I have a ton of eneloops I bought for the 685's then returned all 4 of them and upgraded. But obviously, this is a personal preference based on your shooting needs.
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+1 for Godox/Flashpoint.
I have a SB700 and 4 Godox flash units. I could have bought 3 Godox units for the single SB700. The SB700 feels clunky compared to the Godox units. Godox works so well with their transmitters. I just picked up the Flashpoint version of the Godox V1 on sale and love it!
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LordKOTL • Senior Member • Posts: 1,739
Re: Recommended wireless flash system with Nikon D850?
AndyW17 wrote:
LostLensCap wrote:
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I have a pretty complete Godox system TT685N, XProN commander, pr of X1R triggers, and 2 SM300 AC monolites. I also use a Flashpoint (Adorama rebranded Godox) Mini with my Z50. In addition I have a Nikon SB910, SB700, and a pr of Yongnuo 565. I haven't had any problems with any of it. I would not hesitate to recommend the TT685N strobe with the XproN commander for you. You can get a complete system with flashes commander and triggers for the price of the Nikon SB5000.
I agree with the above except for the difference in money the 850ii light has the lithium ion brick battery which is a bottomless source of power and faster recharge if that's important to the application. I have a ton of eneloops I bought for the 685's then returned all 4 of them and upgraded. But obviously, this is a personal preference based on your shooting needs.
I mostly agree. I think about 90% of the time I'd recommend a V860II over a TT685. For most general flash needs that Li-Ion brick battery and fast recycle times will suit most shooting needs.
I think if the photog in question is planning to travel to an area where getting those Li-ion batteries recharged is an issue but AA batteries are cheap, then err in that direction.
Also, in a rarer scenario when using the flash static as in a studio, the TT685 can be connect to a battery pack like a PB-960. In a portable scenario this is a ton of bulk, but clamped to a lighting stand? That's even quicker pops and a deeper source of power. Granted, I'd only recommend that if the person already had a TT685--if buying new in that scenario I'd say AD200 and call it good.
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